Chuck Ellis talks with Joel Furrow, newly appointed deputy director of the Christian Civic League of Maine, about a phrase that’s used more than it’s defined: Christian nationalism.

They discuss Joel’s move from The Root Cellar to CCL Maine and the vision behind Pray for Maine, then examine common definitions, the difference between loving your country and demanding a state church, what “dominion” in Genesis means, and the founding-era balance between Christian influence and religious freedom. Both reject an official Christian nation while arguing Christians should bring their worldview into public life.

Pray for Maine: prayformaine.org

Christian Civic League of Maine: cclmaine.org